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	<title>Comments on: The Seed: Four Theologians’ Quest to Understand Paul</title>
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		<title>By: Darrell Bock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darrell Bock</dc:creator>
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		<description>Maer:

One way to balance second temple hermeneutics and theological grids is to see how authors handle themes within their own writing. That is precisely what my proposal did in going to Romans 9. In Romans 9 we see how Paul thinks directly without having to posit a point that may or may not be present. As I said, I am not sure these positions A to B or B to A are so different. but I do think we can see Paul thinks corporately and individually about the seed, while Wright&#039;s empahsis is built on his larger thesis and is less explicitly present.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maer:</p>
<p>One way to balance second temple hermeneutics and theological grids is to see how authors handle themes within their own writing. That is precisely what my proposal did in going to Romans 9. In Romans 9 we see how Paul thinks directly without having to posit a point that may or may not be present. As I said, I am not sure these positions A to B or B to A are so different. but I do think we can see Paul thinks corporately and individually about the seed, while Wright&#8217;s empahsis is built on his larger thesis and is less explicitly present.</p>
<p>dlb</p>
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		<title>By: Maer</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Bock – Thank you so much for taking the time to read my essay. Your comment makes me wish I had spent some time talking about why I believe Wright takes the approach he does. Because he is convinced that Paul’s theology is consistent not only in Galatians but also Romans on the subject of the new people of God, I do believe it is this theological conviction that drives him to see Paul’s use of “seed” the way he does. Whereas you try to see the theological linkage from A to B, could it be the case that Wright saw the theological linkage from B to A?

	You said “we can have second temple hermeneutic being used as well as looking at the theological grids being present in the method.” I agree that this should not be an either-or, and this is exactly my struggle as I look at the NT use of the OT. How do we maintain a right balance of second temple hermeneutics and the theological grids being employed without pitting one against the other?

	Thank you for your contribution to this field and I am looking forward to reading more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Bock – Thank you so much for taking the time to read my essay. Your comment makes me wish I had spent some time talking about why I believe Wright takes the approach he does. Because he is convinced that Paul’s theology is consistent not only in Galatians but also Romans on the subject of the new people of God, I do believe it is this theological conviction that drives him to see Paul’s use of “seed” the way he does. Whereas you try to see the theological linkage from A to B, could it be the case that Wright saw the theological linkage from B to A?</p>
<p>	You said “we can have second temple hermeneutic being used as well as looking at the theological grids being present in the method.” I agree that this should not be an either-or, and this is exactly my struggle as I look at the NT use of the OT. How do we maintain a right balance of second temple hermeneutics and the theological grids being employed without pitting one against the other?</p>
<p>	Thank you for your contribution to this field and I am looking forward to reading more.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrell Bock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darrell Bock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maer:

Nice summary. My one observation on Wright is that the place he ends up (family) is really the same place I am arguing for. But the singular of it cannot be merely  made into this descriptive category. It is the singular Christ who creates the family in question.

Romans 5 shows Paul thinks of two lines in humanity (Adam and Christ). What we are trying to do is see the theological linkage that let&#039;s us get from point A to point B. Romans 9 shows that Paul thinks in this singular to corporate manner about seed. This is also not a matter of either-or. We can have second temple hermeneutic being used as well as looking at the theological grids being present in the method.

What I resist about Enns is to say usage is just hermeneutics, christological and (rather) arbitrary at spots. There are grids of understanding at work, rooted in the progress of revelation as the case is being made.

Thanks again for the thoughts.</description>
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<p>Nice summary. My one observation on Wright is that the place he ends up (family) is really the same place I am arguing for. But the singular of it cannot be merely  made into this descriptive category. It is the singular Christ who creates the family in question.</p>
<p>Romans 5 shows Paul thinks of two lines in humanity (Adam and Christ). What we are trying to do is see the theological linkage that let&#8217;s us get from point A to point B. Romans 9 shows that Paul thinks in this singular to corporate manner about seed. This is also not a matter of either-or. We can have second temple hermeneutic being used as well as looking at the theological grids being present in the method.</p>
<p>What I resist about Enns is to say usage is just hermeneutics, christological and (rather) arbitrary at spots. There are grids of understanding at work, rooted in the progress of revelation as the case is being made.</p>
<p>Thanks again for the thoughts.</p>
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